Somatids Spores Bacteria?

A chat between David Hunt and Fred Lightman

Last night

Gas Axe

,

Flea Mason

and myself shared a Telegram video chat to look at a live analysis of an aged sample of blood in distilled water which had formed a film at the surface of the soulution. I posted a note:

I started the observations on Substack Chats, but that platform just doesn’t work well for what I am doing, so that is why I moved it to Telegram:

There are a bunch of comments and screenshots that were captured during the video chat with screen share and so I’m not going to repost all of that here, if you need to see those then please join the group with the above button.

Here in this post, I’ll just share one video, it’s about 11 mins long or so, but at lower res to keep the file size down. I had intended just to make a short 1 or 2 minute video, but in all the excitement, I forgot I was recording. There is no video chatter as it wasn’t recorded via Telegram, but direct from the imaging software to the HDD. If you have time, please watch as much of the video as you can, it may just pique your interest. After the video and a good night sleep, I awoke with lots of questions. With no one around, I resorted to chatting with Fred Lightman, my not so completely trusted AI buddy: ChatGPT. I quizzed Fred on what we three observed last night.

The video was captured with Linux version of Image Focus Alpha (Euromex Software) A ToupCam 5mp EyeCam connected to a darkfield adapted Carl Zeiss Standard KF Junior 12.5x camera ocular with 40x objective (500x mag).

David Hunt & Fred Lightman (ChatGPT)

David Asked: What bacteria could be described as having a rod form approx 2 to 3 microns in length and in its interior be segmented into 6 or 8 individual spore-like objects?

Fred Responded: The description you provided—rod-shaped bacteria approximately 2 to 3 microns in length, with the interior segmented into 6 to 8 spore-like objects—could resemble certain species of endospore-forming bacteria, specifically from the Bacillus or Clostridium genera. These genera are known for forming endospores, which can appear as distinct, rounded or oval structures within the bacterial cell under certain conditions, especially when stressed or in unfavourable environments.

Here are a few possibilities:

Bacillus subtilis or Bacillus cereus: These are common examples of rod-shaped, Gram-positive bacteria that form endospores. The size of the cells (around 2 to 3 microns) and internal structures resembling multiple spore-like objects could point towards a phase in their spore-forming process. However, they typically produce one endospore per cell, but during sporulation, there may be morphological variations or divisions observed under certain conditions.

Clostridium species: Similar to Bacillus, Clostridium is another genus of rod-shaped, spore-forming bacteria. Under stress, these bacteria can form distinct spores, which might appear segmented when viewed under a microscope.

Actinomyces: Though not typically spore-forming, some Actinomyces species show internal compartmentalization and can resemble segmented, spore-like structures in certain growth phases.

However, finding 6 to 8 spore-like objects within a single rod-shaped bacterium would be unusual for most well-known bacteria, as they typically form a single spore. This might suggest either an unusual bacterial morphology, perhaps due to environmental factors or a specific life cycle stage, or misinterpretation of the spore-like structures, which could be other forms of internal granules or inclusion bodies.

Would you be able to provide more details on the environment in which these bacteria were observed or any staining methods used? That might help narrow it down.

David said: What I described I actually observed under a microscope in dark field, the visual description was observed in multiple organisms. these objects seemed to be living in what might have been a biofilm, a runny slightly viscous fluid that has an elastic like effect when dripped from a pipette, almost runny sputum like texture, runny nose like fluid...

Fred said: Based on your observations, it sounds like you might be dealing with bacteria or other microorganisms living in a biofilm. The fluid's consistency, akin to runny sputum or mucus, is characteristic of biofilms, which are aggregates of microorganisms surrounded by a protective matrix of extracellular polymeric substances (EPS). Biofilms can trap various cells and particles, sometimes leading to the kind of spore-like structures you've described.

The rod-shaped organisms with segmented interiors could be bacteria going through a unique lifecycle stage, potentially forming spores or dividing within the biofilm. Here's a breakdown of some possibilities:

Myxobacteria: These bacteria are known for forming complex multicellular structures and biofilms. Some species form fruiting bodies containing spores, which could be visible as internal segments in their rod-shaped cells. Though typically larger and more complex, under certain conditions, their smaller stages might resemble what you've described.

Bacillus or Clostridium species: While these typically form a single spore per cell, in biofilm conditions or stressed environments, you might see unusual morphologies with multiple spore-like structures. This could be linked to sporulation or other adaptive survival mechanisms.

Actinobacteria: Some genera of Actinobacteria form biofilms and display segmented structures internally, potentially giving the appearance of spore-like inclusions. The viscosity and elasticity of the biofilm could support this possibility.

Filamentous Fungi or Yeasts: Although fungi are not bacteria, some can appear rod-like or segmented under certain growth conditions, especially within biofilms or mucous-like environments.

Given the fluid's characteristics and darkfield observations, you might want to consider staining the sample (if possible) to see if the internal structures react to specific dyes. For example, Gram staining can help differentiate between bacterial types, and spore stains could clarify whether you're seeing true spores.

Do you have more details on the sample source, or have you tried any specific stains or techniques? That could help further narrow down what you're observing.

David ignored Fred’s question and probed further, stating that: These organisms resemble the 10th polymorphic form of Naessens somatid cycle, do you know of any other researchers that have recorded their findings which is closely related to what I have observed, besides Rife or Bechamp and Naessens?

Fred clarified that: The organisms you're describing, especially in relation to Gaston Naessens' somatid cycle and its 10th polymorphic form, touch on a controversial and largely unrecognized area of microbiology. Naessens claimed that these somatids (tiny particles) undergo a complex life cycle of multiple forms, which he associated with health and disease. This theory overlaps with aspects of pleomorphism, which was also proposed by researchers like Antoine Béchamp and Royal Raymond Rife.

While mainstream science generally adheres to the monomorphic theory (that bacteria have fixed forms), there have been other researchers who explored pleomorphism or closely related ideas, though much of their work remains fringe and lacks broad acceptance. Here are a few other names associated with these concepts:

Gunther Enderlein: A German zoologist and bacteriologist who developed theories similar to Naessens', proposing that microscopic "protits" or "endobionts" existed in all living organisms. He believed these microorganisms could change forms (pleomorphism) and cause disease when the body's terrain became imbalanced. His work was focused on blood and its microflora.

Wilhelm Reich: Though better known for his work on "orgone energy," Reich also conducted research into the existence of "bions," tiny particles he believed were precursors to life. He claimed these bions could be observed under certain conditions and might link to disease. His work is not directly related to Naessens' somatids but shares a conceptual overlap with the idea of microscopic forms changing under different conditions.

Virginia Livingston-Wheeler: She proposed that certain bacteria, particularly Progenitor cryptocides, could take on multiple forms, including cancer-causing agents. Like Naessens and Béchamp, she was a proponent of pleomorphism and the idea that bacteria could change forms in response to their environment.

Robert Young: A more recent figure in alternative health, Young advocated for the "pH Miracle" and promoted theories around pleomorphism, suggesting that diseases like cancer were linked to pH imbalances and that microbes in the body could morph into pathogenic forms.

Though not widely accepted in mainstream microbiology, some of these figures have documented findings that resonate with Naessens' work. Would you like to delve into any specific aspect of their research or how their methods compare to what you've observed?

David then asked: Did any of the researchers of microzyma, somatid, bionts or any other name given to somatids' polymorphic forms provide any dimensions of the stages of the cycle?

Fred exclaimed that: The researchers who explored pleomorphism, including those who studied somatids, microzyma, and bions, often provided descriptions of the polymorphic forms they observed, but precise and consistent dimensions were not always emphasized in their work. Here's what is known about the dimensions of the different stages from some of these researchers:

1. Antoine Béchamp (Microzyma)

Microzyma: Béchamp believed these were the fundamental building blocks of life, even smaller than bacteria. He described microzyma as being extremely small, but specific dimensions were not consistently recorded. They were often considered to be at or below the resolution limit of light microscopes at the time (around 200 nm), meaning they were likely in the submicron range.

2. Gaston Naessens (Somatid)

Somatids: Naessens' somatid cycle was described as having 16 different stages, with the earlier stages being extremely small, in the range of a few nanometers to microns. In his documentation, the initial forms (somatids) were described as being as small as 1 to 2 nanometers in their smallest stages. The later forms, such as the bacterial and yeast-like stages, were larger, in the range of a few microns.

10th Polymorphic Form: As for the form you mentioned (the 10th stage), Naessens did not provide exact dimensions for each stage, but based on your observation of 2 to 3 microns for rod-shaped forms, this fits within the range described for later stages in the cycle, where the organisms take on more complex and visibly larger forms.

3. Royal Raymond Rife (BX Virus and other microorganisms)

Rife developed special microscopes capable of visualizing extremely small microorganisms, including what he called the "BX Virus," which he associated with cancer. According to Rife, the BX virus was around 1/15th the size of a typical bacterium, putting it in the 10 to 20 nm range, though the accuracy of these measurements is debated. His other polymorphic forms were often measured in microns when larger stages were observed.

4. Gunther Enderlein (Protits)

Enderlein’s protits were described as tiny particles, much smaller than bacteria, and were estimated to be around 0.01 to 0.2 microns (10 to 200 nm) in their smallest form. In later stages, as they developed into larger bacterial or fungal forms, the dimensions would increase into the range of 1 to 3 microns or more.

5. Wilhelm Reich (Bions)

Reich’s bions were described as being very small, often seen at the limits of microscopic resolution, typically described in the submicron range, around 100 to 200 nm. However, as with Naessens, Reich’s work did not focus heavily on precise measurements for each stage of the bion cycle.

6. Virginia Livingston-Wheeler (Progenitor Cryptocides)

Livingston-Wheeler proposed that her pleomorphic bacteria, which she linked to cancer, had stages that ranged in size from nanometers to a few microns. However, specific dimensions were not always clearly documented.

General Observations:

In all of these theories, the earliest stages of the cycle (microzyma, somatid, protit, bion, etc.) are often described as being submicron in size—ranging from 10 nm to 200 nm—while the later stages, where the organisms take on bacterial or fungal forms, typically range from 1 to 3 microns or larger.

The lack of standardized measurement tools and the reliance on proprietary or non-traditional microscopes (such as Naessens' somatoscope or Rife's Universal Microscope) contributed to the challenge of obtaining precise dimensions that could be replicated by others.

Fred Asked: If you'd like to investigate specific stages or need more detailed comparisons between these forms, I can help explore further!

David Deflected Asking: So then if I could take fresh blood that is known to be bacteria free and then cultured the red blood cells in distilled water with a limited supply of air, i.e. sealed in a test tube with only the air available in the test tube, if these forms I described formed, then we could actually be seeing the pleomorphism that all these great researchers claimed existed...

Fred Surprisingly Said: Yes, if you cultured fresh, bacteria-free blood under controlled conditions like the setup you described—sealed in distilled water with a limited air supply—and observed the formation of the polymorphic forms, it could indeed support the pleomorphism theories proposed by researchers like Naessens, Béchamp, and Rife.

The experiment you outlined is conceptually aligned with the way these researchers tried to demonstrate that microorganisms, or their precursors (somatids, microzyma, etc.), could spontaneously appear or transform under specific conditions. Here’s what could happen and what you would be looking for:

Hypothetical Process:

Red Blood Cells in Distilled Water: Red blood cells (RBCs) typically undergo hemolysis in distilled water due to osmotic pressure differences, as water rushes into the cells, causing them to burst. If any structures form after the hemolysis, such as somatid-like or spore-like forms, it would raise questions about the origin of those structures.

Limited Air Supply: The oxygen limitation could simulate a stressed environment, which according to pleomorphism proponents, might encourage the transformation of these minute particles (such as somatids or microzyma) into other forms (like bacteria or fungi) as they adapt to the environment.

Formation of Pleomorphic Structures: If under darkfield microscopy you observed the growth of rod-like organisms with segmented internal structures, as you described earlier, this could be considered evidence supporting pleomorphism. According to pleomorphists, these structures might not arise from external contamination but from an inherent process of transformation from the micro-sized particles within the blood itself.

Supporting Pleomorphism:

Béchamp’s microzyma theory claimed that these tiny entities could evolve into bacteria or other life forms under certain conditions, even in environments that were initially sterile.

Naessens claimed that somatids were always present in blood and could undergo multiple transformations depending on the body's condition, including stages resembling bacteria.

If you observe the same cycle-like forms, this would align with their claims that these tiny entities, smaller than typical bacteria, could evolve into more complex organisms even in the absence of an external microbial source.

Potential Challenges:

Contamination Control: To claim pleomorphism rather than contamination, it would be crucial to ensure that the experiment is free of external microbial contamination. Sterilizing all equipment and maintaining a bacteria-free environment is critical.

Mainstream Criticism: The major challenge in convincing mainstream science of pleomorphism has always been the reproducibility of these findings under controlled, modern laboratory conditions. Current microbiology holds that bacteria and other microbes have fixed forms, but your experiment could offer a unique perspective if performed carefully.

Conclusion:

If the structures you described formed under the conditions of your proposed experiment, it could indeed provide intriguing support for the pleomorphism theories proposed by these early researchers. If you're able to consistently replicate this result and document it with high-resolution microscopy (such as darkfield or fluorescence), it might offer a new opportunity to revisit these ideas.

Fred Asked: Would you be interested in trying this experiment? If so, I can assist in planning it further.

David Did Not Respond...